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Postby Archbold » Fri Jun 01, 2012 9:58 pm

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Postby lorelei » Fri Jun 08, 2012 3:14 am


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Postby lorelei » Sun Jun 10, 2012 4:03 pm


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Postby Archbold » Mon Jun 18, 2012 9:22 am

Hey thanks for responding and yes you did answer all my questions. Sadly though I've gotten no closer to learning how to know that a note is out of tune except that you know all the notes internally and compare them to what you hear externally.

I'm very curious though about how you get annoyed about a note being out of tune. Can't you just ignore an out of tune note since you know it's out of tune? I only say this out of ignorance because if I were to tune my bass to an out of tune piano and it was completely relatively out of tune I would still believe that the A I'm pressing down is still an A even if it sounds like an A Flat.

Thanks again!

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Postby lorelei » Mon Jun 25, 2012 2:26 pm


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Postby Archbold » Sun Jul 22, 2012 3:29 pm

Wow you did put it to me perfectly. Now from what I'm understanding your perfect pitch is something that is out of your control. You can't influence your absolute pitch as this would be like as you said someone seeing a red apple as a blue apple when it's clearly a red apple.

It seems that us non ap possessors are going to have to learn our own way of hearing pitch. Something not as natural and innate as yours.

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Postby lorelei » Wed Jul 25, 2012 1:14 pm

Well, I can't influence it in that way. I can't make myself hear a G when an A is coming out of an instrument. However, as I spend a little more than a month every year in Europe, and many in the states use A=442 instead of 440, I find that I'm getting used to it, and can live with 442 or 440. 432 drives me a little nuts though, and if I wanted to start listening to microtonal music, it would take quite a bit of time and effort for me to be able to enjoy it.
As for learning AP, I can't really say how that would work since I don't understand how non-APers hear well enough. I would have to experience it to really be able to compare the two well. Good luck!

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Postby Archbold » Thu Jul 26, 2012 1:53 pm

Ah I see so this is what I'm understanding how perfect pitch and non perfect pitch works.

Imagine if two beings were chosen to do a color test which is simply to identify the color that is placed in front of them. One of them is a human being and one is a dog which are notorious for only seeing in black, white and grey.

You can understand that the human being would have absolutely no problem with naming basic colors but the dog will be in a world of trouble because he can only see in black white and grey. What is this blue that the humans speak of??

So you can see how the human being is simply naturally more adept at naming colors because he has color eyes just like AP possesors can name notes because their brains work that way.

Whereas on the other hand the dog has no chance at this test because of the way his eyes are. Even if he were to become really adept at naming colors he would only be getting better at naming shades of grey. A great feat but he will never see in the same way that a human being can see.

Tell me if this makes sense! :D

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